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Environmentor
03-04-2006, 11:08 PM
When I came to this thread, I promised I would share this information (as I have shared it at other forums). Anyway, this is the technique that I use to catch most of my big bluegills. I would also be interested to here some other angler's techniques on really big bluegill (half-pounders or better, at least appx. 10"). Also, realize that this technique catches large numbers and a great diversity of other fish. (I've caught bass, bluegill, channel catfish, bullhead, drum, dogfish, gar, carp, crappie, and a few others on this rig). It's a pretty simple rig. So, here are some steps and techniques I recommend, and if you already know bluegill then skip right to #6:

1. Being an environmentalist, the first tip is to keep the water as clean as possible. Both around your home and in the field. Remember that all the water that goes down your drain and flows off your property is going into the waterways, and is likely damaging your fishing hole, or someone elses. Bluegill live off of insects and plankton, and plankton can not survive in poor conditions. Destroy the basis of the food chain and you can kiss those big bluegill goodbye.
2. Now for the fishing. Big bluegill are less likely prayed upon, so the larger bluegill typically don't spend as much time hiding. They can often be found in open water. When they are not spawning they often hold deep, around 20 feet or so (in my opinion). Big bluegill sometimes spawn deeper too, if the water is clear. The lakes I typically fish are/were clear, and fish spawn in water around seven feet deep. They will spawn shallower in murky water, but they are deeper than those smaller bluegill. Since bluegill are schooling fish, ya catch one, then you can catch more. Since these bluegill feed on smaller food, they often are located close to plant growth. So remember to fish within a few hundred yards of plants (I like to cast right in/over plants), fish deep, and when you catch a large bluegill plant, stop their because there are more to be caught. Location is the key to big bluegill.
3. Bluegill eat almost anything, but I have the best luck fishing with a nightcrawler right on the bottom, usually I cast it out and let it sink slowly, the big bulls usually grab it on the fall. Big females usually follow it down and admire their meal before taking it, letting it lie there a few moments before grabbing it. However, this all varies because they don't want there bait to get away or another fish to take it. Use any kind of bait you want for bluegills. You can even use artificials. However, always use lighter tackle. Light line 2-6 pound gives the fish a fighting chance, and makes the day more entertaining. Once you use ultra light or light tackle you will never go back. Besides the enjoyment of the fights, you often get more and detect more bites with ultra light equipment.
4. Fish in reclusive spots for the big bluegill, especially those lakes with big predators. You never know when you will latch on to a big predator, and the bluegill typically are larger in these lakes. Reclusive ponds and lakes are also nicer because you don't have the boat traffic, the noise, and the competition. Farmponds also produce very large bluegill, and many farmers are willing to let you fish their pond as long as you are considerate of their property.
5. Unlike Bass and other fish it is good to take the larger bluegill for bluegill and crappie have a tendency to over populate and stunt if not kept in perfect balance. However, it is best to not always remove ALL the big gill when they are spawing for they produce the next generation of big bluegills. They hold those genes which allow bluegills to break the pound barrier.
6. Now for the rig which I promissed. An old angler/baitshop owner (some of the Quad-Citians may know him - Hutch from Hutch's Bait Shop in Buffalo) taught me and my dad some rig which we modified over time. First, you splitshot rig a live nightcrawlers hooking it once through the head (this is what Hutch told us, and it worked pretty good). However, many fish take this bait on the fall. However, over time we found that if you remove the split shot the worm sinks slower which is good for shallow fish or fish taking the bait on the fall (since it doesn't fall as fast). However, we then remodified the original rig (which we kept secret for about five years). We used icejigs! We use icejigs in the middle of the summer! Just tie on the icejig and hook a whole or half worm once so it rides straight. (Right through the head/front like your threading a plastic grub onto a jighead.) NO BOBBER, so you may need lighter line to cast it out farther. The combination of weight and color really gets the fish going. It falls slower than a splitshot rigged worm. Also, with the numerous styles of icejigs you can have little spinners, glow in the dark, flat, etc. which causes different variations. However, I have even found that sometimes the color doesn't matter and have used tiny/ultra-light leadhead un-painted jigheads in place. However, sometimes the color really helps attract attention. I have outfished alot of people with this simple rig. In some cases where I am using different nightcrawler rigs (worm/bobber, worm/splitshot, worm/no weight) the fish will only take the icejig rig. I don't know why, but it works. Also, realize that this rig catches alot of large fish, so I have since switched to icejigs with larger/heavier hooks. I have had many of the small-light-wire-aberdeen-panfish-hooks in many jigs straighten out on me from large fish. So you might want to switch up, but remember you want lightweight/heavy-hooked icejigs (which are harder to find). Also hooking the fish is real easy - just leave the line slack after casting and watch for the movement of the line. Most of the time, the fish will take it before it hits the bottom so be ready. So, I recommend you give this rig a try next time (remember that this is a warm water rig, for when the fish are active, but it works during summer-cold-fronts as well). I think you'll find it is worth it. And, shhhh its a secret.
Good Luck and Fish on!!!

Sorry about the size, this is mostly copied and pasted! I didn'r realize it was in such huge font!

Catbird
03-04-2006, 11:43 PM
Very interesting read, thanks for sharing!

Illinoisgiller
03-05-2006, 07:25 AM
Great Post! A friend of mine mentioned just last season that he got on a lot of huge gills in a central Iowa pond with the same type of rig. It supprised me that he was getting 3 or 4 gills per worm with the worm hooked at the tip without weight.
I used to fish with a #8 long shank hook, enough night crawler to cover entire hook ,including eye, and a large wax worm tail hooked at the tip. With no weight it is deadly in warm, clear, water . I'm now enjoying tying up flies for gills, but always open to different methods.
Was thoughtfull for you to put the #1paragraph on it . Thanks, Mike

Environmentor
03-05-2006, 10:35 PM
GoFish, you have luck with the darker colors, I seem to have more luck with the lighter colors (white, neon, etc.). Maybe it is just difference in the water visibility. Anyway, sometimes I don't think the color really matters.

potter
03-06-2006, 02:34 PM
I have been going after hybrids in my familys pond there 1-2 pounders there so HUGE i will keep you guys updated I will post pics

Schoe
03-06-2006, 07:53 PM
Potter, how's it going buddy? I haven't heard much from you lately and figured you must have a new squeeze to keep you occupied. Keep us posted once in a while. Schoe

Environmentor
03-08-2006, 03:52 PM
I agree that hybrids are huge. I know that they are a cross between bluegill and green sunfish, but does anybody know the sex crosses that produce the large hydrids? I don't remeber if it is XXbluegill x XYgreen or XXgreen x XYbluegill, but if I remember right it is sex specific. I know that it can happen in nature, but it tends to be the wrong cross producing smaller hybrid bluegill/green sunfish. I even have one of these hybrid greensunfish (the opposite, the smaller cross) in an aquarium, from West Lake, Scott County Iowa. I thought it was a pure green sunfish when I first caught it, but as it grew it more bluegill tendancies became prominient like body shape, color, and markings.

I also know that instead of buying hybrids and stocking them for large bluegill (which can produce problems, as the specie crosses revert) that large bluegill can be had by stocking stunted bluegill. If you have two ponds (or know someone with a pond of stunted bluegill) you just stock your pond with stunted bluegill and they will grow very fast. (However, I don't know when this growth spurt slows.)

P.S. Potter, where you from (your locations says "landscaping")?

Illinoisgiller
03-08-2006, 04:30 PM
There is a very interesting read on a study done in MO. on Hybrid sunfish. Just Google up [ Hybrid Bluegill Myth ] . I'll learn to attach a link eventually.
Those things can be a lot of fun to catch ,and can get pretty big. But, from the sound of that study, the clock is ticking and it won't last forever. :confused:

Environmentor
03-12-2006, 06:50 PM
Good Read!
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/bluegillmyth.htm
Answered some of my questions. Also, I didn't know there was no "scientific evidence" to support the claim that hybrids grow larger and that in fact their is evidence against this. I just assumed that since everyone told me hybrids grew bigger, then it must be true. However, I agree that they are more agressive. The hybrid bluegill I have in my aquarium is really agressive (even more aggressive then the large pirahna we used to own). I knew that large ratios of bass or thinning bluegill populations are really the key to a good fishery. Same reason the state don't recommend stocking other species, hybrids, etc. into private ponds except for their ratios of bass, bluegill, channel. The key is having the perfect balance, balance creates the fishery. Hybrids disrupt balance! Only thing in the reading I didn't agree with is the statement that "half pounders and pounders" as being exagerated (maybe I read this statement wrong). Maybe I will look more into this "scientific evidence" because I wonder if hybrids grow larger or not?

Schoe
03-12-2006, 08:53 PM
Ron, I can agree from what I have observed that the hybrids that are initionally stocked in ponds with not a lot of compitition for forage have grown at a faster rate than normal. Am I off base in assuming this? Schoe

Illinoisgiller
03-13-2006, 06:05 AM
I would imagine that the Potter family pond with the nice hybrids has everything going in the right direction for them .The way I read the study, the problem is when the owner is attempting to balance out the fish types in the pond.I'm looking forward to pictures of those bigguns. :D
I would enjoy trying to manage a very small, deep pond just to see how big I could grow a common bluegill. Not for record attempts, just a fun thing. Mike

Environmentor
03-13-2006, 05:08 PM
Growth is dependent on a variety of factors. However, if there is not alot of competition for food, fish should grow faster (just looking at this factor along). Irregardless of the specie. If there is adequate food and no competition, both a population explosion should occur and the fishes growth rate will increase. For example, when a pond is freshly stocked with bluegill in the fall, in Iowa (September) they are about 1 inch or smaller. By summer when the bass are added, the same bluegill are about 3"-5". Of course all fish grow faster when they are young. In an established pond, a 1" late summer/fall bluegill will only grow to about 2"-3" (if it survived predation) by the following summer. There is a scientific correlation between growth and food availability, so lack of competition increases growth rate & population numbers. (Also, this is why bluegill are stocked in fall and bass in the following summer - the bluegill become established and they produce alot of young to increase the growth of the bass). Also, at the hatchery we would have several ponds with the same clutch. Some ponds (lacking food) would produce smaller fish, so we would add fertilizer to increase the nutrients in the ponds. Increased nutrients, through the food chain, increased the size of fish, so they matched their brethran in the food-rich ponds.

However, too much food and lack of predation will eventually lead to stunted growth. Population explosions will occur, food will become scarce from increased population, and fish will not grow as large. (However, like growth, stunting is dependent upon various factors).

Yeah, Illinois Giller, I always wanted to have my own pond, too. Just because I would love to have the recreation at my door. I could do my own pond management.

potter
03-21-2006, 05:25 PM
Yeah new girlfriend you know schoe its a endless battle with me lol Im from Cincinnati Ron. I have a farm pond thats loaded down with hybrids

wewamohawk
03-21-2006, 07:00 PM
i fished in canada and got some 1lb and a few that 2lb but not many i n that size the mohawk